Do you consider yourself resilient and what does that mean to you? In this podcast, Resilient Entrepreneurs with Two Four One, we chat with business owners about what resilience means to them as they share their inspiring stories and life lessons.
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Well we are thrilled to welcome award-winning entrepreneur Claire McDevitt to the podcast for this episode. Her most recent and award-winning business venture began only this year, Claire co-founded Fit to Fly in response to the Bermuda Health Council's need for more certified antigen test providers on the island. That business is now a wrap already less than a year in because of course, COVID testing is no longer a mandatory requirement for travel. Wow! Talk about a whirlwind business. The company also contributed over $7,000 to local charities because they committed from the start to give a percentage of their income to support charities, we really love that, we're also a business for good and we love to integrate giving in what we do too, it’s very much aligned values there.
Meanwhile, Claire's primary business Healthcare Solutions is growing and thriving. She started Healthcare Solutions in 2019, focusing on medical organisational management and staffing solutions, after she worked for 25 years as a nurse, medical administrator and project manager. Claire consults for and provides services to medical practitioners and her promise is to manage the health of the medical practice so that doctors and staff can better manage the health of their patients. Love that, welcome Claire!
Hi, everyone! Good evening. Thank you so much for having me here, it was a very nice introduction.
Well, congratulations on your recent Industry Award Runner-Up in the International Innovation of the Year 2022 Tech Awards, that's amazing. How does it feel?
Yes, it was amazing, it was amazing to get such an achievement. We really worked hard on providing a product and a service that solved a problem. Everyone's busy and we knew that I had the clinical components, the certified staff, we’re certified providers at Bermuda Health Council and Jennifer, my partner was the marketing, business back end who helped build the website and then her philanthropy helped us then put it all together so it was a really, really exciting year. And it was all based on one article we’d seen, Jennifer had seen an article in the Royal Gazette for a call, she sent it to me and said, Hey, you should do this, and I said, Okay, let's do it! And she went Both? And I said, Absolutely, let's do it together. And that's where we both then met and we both knew her skillset and my skillset are very different but collectively then we were able to build Fit to Fly and provide the service and ultimately then employment for multiple people and ease of testing as people are going through this stressful time of transitioning from acute pandemic into post pandemic and regulations easing up.
Yeah, you definitely did. You just saw that need and jumped two feet in that - that takes a lot of bravery and to just partner with somebody like that, that couldn't have been that easy to just make that sort of decision.
Yes and no. When I knew what I had to do and what Jennifer had to do and we were both, we just complimented each other really well, I don't think I would have had the confidence as much to do the back end of building a web page and getting the marketing out. But I knew what was on my side, which was training people making sure the regulations, the SOPs and stuff were there, then I knew I was pretty comfortable in that lane. Working with somebody else is definitely was a trust.. trust the process, go with my gut. From previous experiences coming into Ignite, I had a different partner and it just shows the resilience of it all of how you can go from one experience and then kind of level up and then go to another experience and work with somebody and be a huge success.
Yeah, can we talk a little bit about that previous partnership you had because we know that when you started Ignite you, you started it with the partner and you went through the Ignite and for those who don't know what Ignite is - it’s a business accelerator program and it really fine tunes your business, I mean that's what it takes you through every aspect of business. And through that your partnership changed, do you want to talk about that?
Yeah, it was a really good learning experience I think for both of us, we came in with an idea, we interviewed and did our pitch and then as we both joined Ignite and we went to boot camp and then as we were going through our weekly checks, we would go in with totally different ideas. We were both not on the same page, we would leave coming out on the same page but we were coming in on different pages and eventually, then, simple tasks were being asked by the Ignite teams for us to do and we were just never able to meet and do it. So the cracks were always there in the sense that we weren't, we didn't have the same kind of vision of where we wanted to go in our business and then very quickly which was amazing through Ignite was that they, we did the gentle breakup, right? Like it was, they sat us down and said you’re not compatible. You need to move, to decide pretty quickly before this could go into years of destruction, if you don't decide now and we both agreed at that time that okay, yeah, you know what, this wasn't the best match really, probably for the two of us to be in business, right? So they, Ignite sat us through all the different conversations of how to separate, what does that look like, because we were an Ltd, what do the directorships and all of it looked like and so we went very quickly from starting a business, getting it registered, getting your bank accounts, getting into Ignite, doing all the right things to breaking it all down and then setting up separately. So we ended up then I think in the space of a year, we had set up two companies.
Going through all the registration process and everything that was with that and trying to keep true to myself, which was the biggest thing, right? What did I want to do and I wanted to stay in Ignite and have another experience because I knew the fundamentals that Ignite was teaching me was going to be this was the foundation of Healthcare Solutions, right? That was the building blocks and with a strong foundation, you can only soar right? So they, the amount of education and connection that Ignite were offering, I was just absorbing it all because I didn't know how to do it otherwise, but the connections and the people that we were meeting, had you build on that confidence that you can keep moving forward. So coming in with one idea, going through that breakup and loss and then building off another idea but staying true to myself was like a huge.. at the time it didn't feel great but looking back on it now, it definitely makes me feel like I can tackle any problem right? And go through it and know that it may be painful but at the end, there will be some benefit if I stay true to myself.
Yeah, that's really it, isn't it? I was just gonna ask, what's the lesson learned but I guess that is your main lesson.
You hear it always, I love it, it's like my true north, like staying in that true north. There's all the turmoil that can go on and the spinning of setting up a business and being new in business and trusting the process but if you stay true and it's, at the start we're trying to learn our mission statements and what's our vision and what's our.. they all help guide you. It doesn't have to be perfect at the start and again, it'll just constantly evolve, like what I, what we did on our website four years ago, or three years ago, will change again as we evolve because it's just that stepping stone, right, that launch to get you to where you're going right and it's a marathon, it's not a sprint so not everything has to be perfect but doing it helps build on it.
Yeah, gee so many lessons and just before we move off the partnership conversation, Claire, do you have any tips for people who are thinking about going into partnership because we always espouse the benefits of being in a partnership because we're very lucky to be in a very good, we just complement each other well. Was there anything from that experience that you took that you might be able to help others choose well?
I think it's, you both have to believe that you're doing it for the right reasons, we were friends. And it's both of you sitting down and knowing that you're doing it for the right reasons, right? If you're doing it because I want to, I want to make a positive impact on the community versus someone who wants to just make as much money as possible, right? They’re the things that you would have to discuss and go okay, where does that lie, because some of those business decisions may not be, you might not be able to make a good business decision together because if I'm financially driven versus purposeful driven, they're not going to mirror each other right? Like that's just an example of making sure you sit down and go, Why are we in business together? Why do we want to be in business and being best friends is not always the right, the first thing that should be said. And it's making sure that your mission for being in it together is the same. With Jen, I was very cautious after that and I just kept to myself and I would just, I always protected myself in that respect and then with Jennifer, when Fit to Fly came up, it happened really quickly so I didn't have that much time to really overthink it but then I had to be really honest with her and say, Listen, I just came from a partnership that was not successful and I wanted her to be aware of what my role was in it and so that she knew what my insecurities were, where my vulnerabilities were, like I've been able to trust somebody to go through it so we put some really good, what do we call it, goals and we put some really good markers in place so that both of us felt comfortable as we moved into the business. So decisions were made together, we challenged each other a lot, so it wasn't that we were all pleasing each other, we challenged each other back and forth, but we didn't sit on and we kept it very business-like and just kept moving forward, nothing was personal. Definitely understanding what the vision of your partnership and that you're both doing the same thing and then putting in some clear guidelines of what's acceptable and what's not acceptable, right, if I work long hours but I'm flexible and it suits me but your partner might only want to work 9-5 Monday to Friday and have every holiday off. These are the different things that you have to consider, someone might not want to be contacted after 7pm but sometimes, after 7pm is the only time I can sit down and actually get through my emails, right. So these are definitely all those little things can play in on you when you have a busy life or got family and other things going on. They can seep in, what your expectation is of returning emails or calls, they all add up eventually if you're not true, in a sense of where you want to go.
Yeah, and I'm hearing communication is really key between you as well. Right? For a good partnership, you got to communicate a lot, like a good marriage, same thing, got to communicate a lot. Yeah, we get that.
Yeah, communication is key and it's knowing each other, appreciating each other's strengths and also weaknesses and being able to say I don't know anything about that and being okay with that, versus try and take it on and spend, like Jennifer could write a really good article or really good news release, press release in 20 minutes, that would take me 3 weeks of procrastination, right? I just couldn't do it. And I would say that to her, I’m not great at a press release but I'll do, I'm really good at this, and that's how we balanced it.
I think that's the key to great, relationship, partnership, right? Is having that balance, because Vicki and I, we weren't even friends before we started working together. We didn't, we knew of each other but didn't know each other and we came together as business partners, not really being friends and I think that helped too because it was working it out from a business perspective, makes it a little easier so that's a good lesson learned the first time, second time you're like, hey, this is my boundaries. What I'm good at what I'm not.
Boundaries, boundaries. Can you imagine? Learning some boundaries. That was a good lesson.
Super, super important. And just a curious question, going back to your first partnership, when you had to untangle it all, did you have a good legal team helping you out? How did you manage? You were already pretty deep in the business.
We weren't too deep in the sense of it was, Ignite helped us basically. And then what happened was, COVID happened so we couldn't ever really.. everyone was in lockdown, physical lockdown, so even shelter in place was happening, so a lot of stuff had to happen either through email or phone call, which I think also kind of, we didn't have to sit across the table or do any of those things. But yeah, we did seek legal advice, they sought legal advice and we just kind of, I just wanted, I wanted fair, like just be fair and just move on. I knew, the thing is, when that you've got the scale, you know you can build it back up again right? So I knew that. Yes, this was this experience and I'm going to learn a lot from it but I also know my talent has not been taken away from me. So if I have to go back over and start at ground zero again, I can do it and that's and that's fine, right? And I knew that and that's what I just kept reassuring myself, I can just move left and redo it. It's not going to be, it's taken longer, but I've learned a lot from this.
This to me sounds like an incredible example of resilience. I mean, we call it the Resilient Entrepreneurs podcast for a reason, this is a great story of resilience. How do you define or view resilience Claire?
Well, I used to say in nursing, you do night shift, day shift, night shift, day shifts and it was always the bounce back factor. And it was only recently that I connected it to resilience, right? So resilience to me is, how quick is your bounce back factor in life. Whether it's good, bad or different, right? So I look at if something goes sideways, that isn't going in the direction, like, how quickly can I come back from that? And I don't mean it, I just mean even emotionally or how long does it take me to come back up to my line? I also look at how quickly does it take for me to regroup my team? So if something happens within our team, how long does that take me to come back, so we get bad news, I'm really conscious of being there for the team, I’ll process it but I want to make sure that they are okay. So resilience is also looking at everybody else and taking them into it, because you want to continue to lead. If it's good, bad, resilience, you want to continue to lead in the same direction. I want to be able to know that, I want my team to always know that we're gonna get knocked back here and there but we'll always put our best foot forward. How we communicate and how we react to those decisions is what people will remember us for and that's the only thing we have control over. And that's how when I speak to any of my caregivers, and they have a good day, a bad day, it's like, your reaction is the only thing that family member will remember right? So that's the resilience in it, so some things can be challenging but thinking of them and what they do, or a busy office or any of that you just have to try and see it from their side, so I always call it the bounce back factor basically.
Yeah, it sounds like a ripple effect too. You're leading in such a strong way and helping others to be resilient through your own resilience and that ripples out onto even your patients and your clients.
And your attitude. It's your attitude, it's your.. how you approach it, I can take it as a negative and be down in the dumps about it and sulk and lick my wounds for X amount of time. And that's okay to do it but it's coming back and being, okay, what did I learn from this? That's ultimately the only question you can ask then, what did we all learn from this? Whether, and then dissecting it from there, and the support network that you may have as well reaching out to people. Again, I'm not afraid to ask for help and that's the biggest thing, if I don't know marketing, if I don’t know this, I'm going to ask somebody else to show me because I'd rather not spend five hours down a rabbit hole trying, than just ask for help and know that I can get a solution really quickly.
The other things I wrote down was stuff like being grateful is another thing, right? I don't want to sound soft but how many people get to start their business again, and get to be in a position where I'm meeting so many people every single day, and doing something purposeful and helpful and enjoying it. I'm enjoying it, so immensely grateful all the time for what we have done, what we have achieved and what we're going to learn in the future.
Yeah, I think it's so important, it's not a small thing to take the time to be grateful to just have a look at your life. Not everybody gets to live this life, not everybody gets to have those experiences and build what you're building. So what do you do to protect your health, yourself, your sanity, your everything, to be that strong leader for your team? What do you do personally for yourself?
So morning times, I sleep well, I get up in the morning like 5:30 and I take an hour of my own time basically, I have a nice porch right where the sun rises, I'm very lucky. I sit there with my podcast, whether it's motivational, and then I do, I love meditation and I love journaling so I will write down what my plan is either for the, so if we’re going into December I would have started writing some goals and also what I want to attract in. So if I was looking for a new mentor in a certain area to start surrounding myself with more people in this type of field so that I can, learn more or.. and then I do write a gratitude list of what I'm thankful for every day so that it's just, it keeps me grounded. And then I just listen to some really good podcasts that keep me motivated, and then my daughter's up and life starts.
Yes.
What's your favourite podcast at the moment, Claire?
Oh, entrepreneurial, anything that's your entrepreneurial, business mindset, I read, I also like, there's a lot of physicians now who have moved into more spirituality as well where they’ve crossed over science and spirituality and I love listening to those because I do believe in mind over matter and health is related to a lot of your mental health as well. So I definitely listen to a lot of those and then it will have morning motivation, daily podcast on what what today should bring and there's been somewhere, I've been like, I wake up and I might be thinking of something outside of my normal stuff and I will go on to a podcast and it'll be about it and how to solve that problem and it's done for the day.
Amazing.
There's some really good things that can happen in just those quiet moments so I'm going to continue doing it because it works.
Yeah, yeah, that sounds amazing. I love it. Okay, very inspiring, very inspiring. So I wonder Claire, because I know where you are now as an entrepreneur over the last few years, but what were like as a kid, was entrepreneurship in your life way back then? Do you have any stories?
So this is the weirdest thing, right? All my family have their own businesses and it didn't click with me until four years ago when I started my own business. When I looked at my family background, all my cousins, my parents, everyone had their own business so I think entrepreneurship was there. But there was also a strong healthcare lead and in the 80s it was, Go get yourself a good job, right? Oh, yeah. So my options were either go get a husband and settle down and have kids or go get a job. So I wanted the job initially, because I really wanted to travel the world. So entrepreneurship was definitely there but it didn't click for me until I came to Bermuda. I loved nursing but I also knew that nursing wasn't my north. I knew and I love nursing, I love healthcare but I knew that nursing wasn't the end for me, right? I didn't want to be a Chief Nursing Officer and when I was in my last employment they kept saying, oh be a Chief Nursing Officer and I was like, no, that's just not, not who I want to be. I knew there was something else and I knew it was operational. I knew it was something but it just didn't fall into place until the time was right. But job wise, healthcare was the biggest thing, as a kid, I had babysitting, I also picked mushrooms. Mushrooms are a big product that's grown so that was where you started making some money and then, so then babysitting and then just it went straight into healthcare, nursing homes and stuff like that. So a lot of my Auntie's are nurses so it was very much it was easy to sort of segue into it, get a job.
Yeah, I'm sure. And I think it's amazing too because my family are all entrepreneurs as well and I was terrified of being an entrepreneur. It wasn't something I thought that I wanted, younger in my career. But now I can't imagine not being but it's, I think having them already being entrepreneurs was helpful because it wasn't like, Oh, what are you doing? Are you crazy? It was oh, yeah, go for it. You need to make sure you do this tax thing and do that thing and do that and it was like the advice was coming, rather than the questions, which I think does help a little bit.
Right. Well and the whole idea of starting a business came after, I think they say you hit the ceiling, and I had maxed myself here in healthcare and I just didn't know what to do. And then the opportunity came to start the company, I didn't even think I could do it. It was Christina Sgobba who was in Cohort 1 (Ignite), who said to me, I talked about starting a business and then she was sharing her story of how she had started her business Lemoncello and she encouraged me to then just pitch and she goes, it doesn't cost you anything, just go and pitch and see if it'll work for you. Sometimes the idea is often the person behind the idea, right, so I had this idea, I pitched it and here we are four years later, right? So take the risk, if you don't take the risk that's the only thing you can ever regret not doing, like, what if, what if, what if there's no point anymore.
So true. And just before we started recording this podcast, we were talking a bit about networking, and risk. That's what reminded me. So we were saying that networking can be a really scary thing, even though we're very confident in what we're doing in our business. To go into a room full of strangers, personally, I can think of nothing worse. I would by far rather jump out of a plane, than do that. I'm getting much better at it now but it was interesting to hear you had some similar thoughts on that.
So I went to the Bermuda Tech awards after we won the award to see, maybe to hear the next idea, start meeting people and just really put myself into that space. One of the other things that Jennifer taught me was to come out of the weeds for a little bit and see what's going on around you so that you can connect with people and see what's coming up. Nothing's a secret, you just have to hear the message at the right time and we bought tickets to go to the Bermuda Tech Summit and then Jennifer couldn't make it so I was going by myself. And I sat there, I went every day for three days and I didn't understand anything that they were saying and I was Googling abbreviations and words that I had never heard before and then I eventually, on the third day I kept saying, I have to talk somebody, I have to talk to somebody, I have to talk to somebody and eventually spoke to somebody and he very kindly said before I even said anything, that he had no clue what was going on and it was all too high level for him and he was a lawyer and I was like, Oh, my goodness, thank God, I'm not alone here. And we had this moment of connection because I was, Yes, I feel exactly the same way, I’ve been googling half of these words. I don't know what any of it means but I'm glad I'm here, and that broke the ice for me so then the next person I did speak to, and then the next person I could speak to, but it did take me some time but it's the whole idea of being uncomfortable. I knew that it was not my scene. If I walked into a room with health care workers, no problem, I could talk for days but I knew I was gonna be really uncomfortable and I knew that I, I just had to do it because I knew it's the only way I'm going to continue to learn, right? It's the only way I'm going to see what's going on and get out of my comfort zone and just be around, right? And so that, but that even stems from and I'm not joking when I tell you the story. When I was working at the hospital as Quality and Risk Manager, I had to give a lot of presentations to the managers and my Irish accent is very fast and when I'm nervous I speak really fast and my boss recommended that I go to Toastmasters. And I went to Toastmasters for six months and I did not speak! I think that's like literally one of my stories now but I couldn't bring myself to speak even at Toastmasters so I left pretty quickly. It's one of my stories that I share because I go to WeSpeak as well now and I go every year and I try my best and I try my best to just keep improving on being able to be comfortable in a room and hold that conversation and just make that connection with people, on a one-to-one no problem but in big groups it's always hard. But there's always somebody else feeling the same way, that's the lesson here right, and that we're not alone.
Yeah, I dare say that you've broken the ice now having been on a global podcast, it's just the beginning. When we see you on a stage of an audience of 1000s we’ll remember this moment.
I did put it on my wishlist a TEDTalk but then I put a smiley face beside it like ha-ha-ha.
Be careful what you wish for. I look forward to that day. So Claire in summary, what do you think is one of the most important concepts for success in your experience?
That's always a hard question.
Give us the one secret.
I think it's each moment in time, I think for me it was knowing when to ask for help and being okay with that, delegating the big stuff out, whether it's marketing or finances right, there's no way you can know it all, you can't do it by yourself, I can't do it by myself, I don't want to do it by myself but you can't do it by yourself. It can be a lonely journey so if you're not engaging with other people you can easily get into that smaller world. So that's why you go to the Summit or go to places to network so that you don't feel so isolated.
And then staying true to myself. When I looked at the question, I think is it really.. what is success? What does that actually mean? I don't know, today's successful because I'm talking on a podcast without being too nervous, right? But staying true to myself. So having those boundaries with people, I know you used those words but having those boundaries with people and not just going off in one direction just because. What really is impactful and what is it that I want to do? One of my core beliefs is I want to have a solution, one solution that impacts the world in a positive way. I say that every time. I want to have one simple solution that will have a positive impact on the world, and then just staying true to that and whatever that looks like.
Did I think there will be antigen testing, no, but that's what landed there. I thought antigen testing, when we talked about it with friends and family, they were like, oh, it's been done Covid’s over, you won’t need it. But at the end of the day, we were going on to zoom where people were really fragile, right? There was people, they were crying when they found out they were positive and you were talking to them and kind of like reassuring them that they were going to be okay. We were testing brides on the day of the wedding when they were nervous going in, we had kids going back to school, they didn't want to have Covid testing and you're doing all the funny faces just to try and see if we could get the test done. We even had, and I'm not joking, we even had some people in Hooters because they were flying out the next day, have us on Zoom, doing antigen testing because they didn't want to interrupt their party.
I mean, we got to see and meet so many people through that one experience. So successfully getting them on a flight, some people got to the airport and didn't realise they had to have an antigen test and we were able to provide that service in the bathroom in an airport, get their certificate to them so they could get on a flight. There's so many of those amazing stories that we got to be on. Or a gentlemen who can't use Zoom, or he has the phone to his ear, you're trying to talk him through it, so I think even learning to give clear instruction over Zoom was also a massive lesson learned. Even one where a lady booked her test, had no camera, so I had to friend her on Facebook and then do video messaging on Facebook to get her, because she didn't know how to work Zoom. So we went above and beyond, trying to make sure that everybody got their test but the amount of people that we met through it was just really inspirational to see them. But very vulnerable moment as well for some people and that's what Covid created and caused and then they would be thankful to know that you're always there. Our last week or two weeks of Covid testing was the hurricane and we had seven tests to do during a hurricane on that Friday morning and we lost electricity and I have a picture of where I've got a headlamp and I'm doing the Covid testing on my phone with people in the US because they didn't realise there was like a proper hurricane coming and they didn't want to cancel their tests and we didn't know what it was going to be like. So I have got my head torch on, Covid testing them on my phone through Zoom and then getting Jennifer to send out the results because she still had electricity and WiFi. Because I'm the nurse, I’m the clinical component, she was backend. So that was also another good experience that we were willing to do whatever it takes for you to be on a flight without any stress, that's what Fit to Fly was offering every single time.
Whatever it takes. Claire, your stories are amazing. Wow and I have a feeling that's going to be one of those dots you'll connect back in the future and you'll be like, Ah, this has happened because we went through that, that experience of Fit to Fly and all the individual experiences you've had. I imagine there's a lot of people that have a lot of love for you for going through all of that with them and helping them. That's very cool. So I just want to ask one last quick question. What's the best part about being an entrepreneur? What's the one thing you love the most?
This stuff right here is meeting other entrepreneurs and being on podcasts and being able to share your story and hopefully connect with somebody or something that I would say, connects with them and they know, okay, I'm not alone in this.
The flexibility I love, I work hard, right? No doubt about it but I love that I can pick my daughter up and I can have that quality time with her. And then I can log back in, work wise in the sense of after she goes to bed or I can manage it, manage my time myself.
And also just the growth, I'm not saying there's no growth in nursing per se, but just that expansion of what you're capable of doing. As an entrepreneur and business owner, that just blew my mind. I'm doing things that I never thought I would have confidence that was what other people did and what we do, or what I do, or what you guys do, right? It's a constant learning and it's just getting bigger and bigger and it's fun, I don't ever hate the moments, I learn from them, any failures you just learn what happened.
And the good thing about nursing and Quality was, I'm so used to Plan, Do, Study, Act, Plan, Do, Study, Act and when we're evolving in each new project, I plan, we do, we study it and we act and we change and we're going through that with a new project right now and my Office Manager is going nuts because she's not used to it. She's a perfectionist, where I'm like, we make a little mistakes but we change and we don't do it again and we just keep building on it that way and then if something bad happens, I always go back to what's the root cause? What happened? Normally it's a communication issue and how can we rectify that? I know there's always a tool that we've been taught somewhere in our whole lives that can help us really look at what's going on and just keep, just keep going forward. Nothing’s the end and if it’s the end, then like, Fit to Fly, we got nominated for the award and literally 24 hours later, the government announced that Covid testing was not a requirement anymore. So we went through 24 hours of Yay, we got nominated for an award, to… Oh and the business ends in 30 days.
Thanks!
And that's just the roller coaster. But it just means that you know that there's another idea coming for sure and what we've learned in this one will help us build a better product the next time.
I have no doubt in my mind that you have another idea up your sleeve. And I'm not going to ask you to reveal it on this episode but when it comes, we just may talk to you again, I'm looking forward to it. And it just makes my heart sing to hear you talk about the growth and the expansion that we get as entrepreneurs, that's my personal mission and it's our business mission is for people to be able to fulfil their potential, that's it, we go through life and we have so much inside of us, so much that we can achieve and a lot of people don't ever really get a
Yeah, that's true. Some people are skyrocketed into it, sometimes based on fear - it could be the only reason or your fear keeps you back a little bit and holds you back from taking that risk.
We get to choose..
Having faith. It’s faith or fear, it's one of those, you have to choose. It’s you've got faith in that it's gonna work or fear will hold you back and you never try.
Thank you Claire. This has been a fantastic conversation. I always love chatting with you and you're so full of energy and great wisdom and I hope that our listeners just got so much out of this.
Thank you so much for the invite. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you because you knew this was hard.
That’s why we appreciate you doing it.
I would never have done it four years ago when we first met.
That's great. Thanks so much.
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