Welcome back to Resilient Entrepreneurs Podcast. Today we have a very special guests who were talking holistic health with! We want to explore that vital connection between entrepreneurship, wellbeing and success. We welcome Dr. Ayesha Peets Talbot, the co-founder and medical director of Ocean Rock Wellness in Bermuda. Driven by her passion for treating the root causes of illness, she’s become a leading figure in holistic health and Functional Medicine.
Wellness is such an important topic, Dr. Ayesha and one we are very passionate about here at Two Four One. Without our health, we believe we have nothing, so welcome and thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me, guys.
Dr. Ayesha, let’s jump right into the holistic wellness aspect of what you do. Like Laura said, if we don't have health, we have nothing. How do we tie our personal health to the health of our business?
Well, my philosophy is that the health is the foundation. I use the analogy of a tree a lot in my practice and how I talk to people, even thinking about the root cause which is what I get to, but I feel like health helps you to show up in every area of your life at your best. So if you are not feeling great, you're not going to show up to your relationships very well, you're not going to be able to take care of your career very well, or your business, or different areas or facets, and even when it comes to just enjoying other things. Could you imagine, so I get to see, there's always different levels of health, but truthfully when people start, I mean, yes, of course, it's obvious if you're in a hospital, you're not gonna be able to do much, you're not enjoying much of anything, but I see a lot of people who are just tired, fatigued, and some people have brain fog, and just all sorts of issues, knowing that they're not feeling great, or maybe it's pain or whatever they're dealing with, and it's a struggle, they noticed different struggles, really with getting through. I've actually had really very successful people who have amazing careers and they get so anxious or they're not feeling great when their health is, everything is at risk. So to me health is a super duper foundation. Without your health, it's really important to show up and enjoy everything. So definitely your business, your career is going to be a struggle.
It's so good to hear you say that. And it's so so true to remember and important to remember, because often when we are busy building a business, we tend to put ourselves last and I think it's very much a female thing too - to put everybody else ahead of you.
Yeah and females might do that. They might be so into prioritising the business or whatever they're doing. But I also feel males can also have that exact same issue. The males I see are also going really really hard and expecting to do a lot and long hours, almost feeling like they're the energizer body, they can keep going, keep going. And so they're wearing themselves thin as well so I see it on both sides. It's nice to see, in the sense that it’s a really important reminder for me because I try to balance both health and also the business, but to get very successful millionaires and even we have billionaire clients and as their health declines, you can see that even some of their independence, some of the power, the control that they've garnered in their earlier lives, all that starts slipping and it's really because of their health starts slipping. So it's really a great reminder that you have to focus on your health to also enjoy those fruits of your labour, if you've gotten to that point where things are smoothly running and everything's working in the background on its own, which is what most of us are trying to achieve is not having to grind so hard.
Yeah, so Dr. Ayesha, what three things do you consider to be the most important foundation stones for achieving good health?
So I have been taught by my mentor that it is not really three things, so it's five things for me. And this is how I break it down for people. When it comes to health, you want to be eating right - number one. Moving right, so that's having some sort of exercise (two) Sleeping right, so those could be the top three. And those ones we’ve all heard about, but I like to take it a little bit further, you want to make sure that all your nutrients are right. So this is micronutrients. These are vitamins and minerals, there's so many deficiencies for us now and people don't have that on their radar so that's really big. And then lastly, make sure your hormones are right. And that's hormones for male and female. So male, really notice.. I know everybody's thinking testosterone, oestrogen, progesterone and those are the big ones but I'm also thinking thyroid, I'm thinking adrenal hormones as well, you want to make sure all of that is working really well. And if you're taking care and you've got all those five things nailed, then likely you're doing really good and your health is really, if you can focus on those things, then things are probably doing really good.
How does one find out about the hormonal and the micronutrient health that they have or don't have?
You can test, you can test now, it's not conventional. So it's not that you can roll up to just any family practitioner or GP office. You really have to seek out a physician who is doing micronutrient testing, which is what they call it, or hormonal testing. And it's actually quite easy to do, they’re very simple tests. One is, pretty much you can do urine or blood and the other one is a spit test, so you're just spitting in a tube, but they can be very telling. So males generally will lose a little bit of testosterone from their 20-30 year old years, but they shouldn't lose too much and it's always good even in your 20s and 30s to get a really good baseline of what your basic testosterone level is so that when you're 40 and 50, and things feel not right, you can see how far you slip from that. And you want to see if you can upgrade that because that's great for men. Men really need that testosterone, it really helps not only with bones and muscles and their libido, but it really helps with mood. So we can see a lot of depression if a man's not really got those testosterone levels. And women, I know we're taught by the time we’re 30, we're starting to see a decline in our hormones but our hormones are nose diving now, we're getting so many menopausal symptoms and all sorts of things but oestrogen is what protects our brain. So you don't want to be nose diving more than you need to be because you’ve got more stress hormones and your body’s preferencing those stress hormones and not making the other ones, it's got to be in balance. It's even great to check things when you feel like things are going really great to get a baseline of where you really live. And then you can see okay, if things start to not feel great, how far are you from that? But yeah, I think you can get exhausted is the point.
So if you're plummeting in these levels of nutrients and hormones, then is the suggestion by you and your medical team to boost it with supplements, is that how one treats it?
So to us food is medicine and medicine is food and I think that's the core of anything. So it's really important to know that a lot of foods will carry not only your macronutrients, so if you think of carbs, and proteins and fats, those are the macronutrients, but you will also get micronutrients as well. So those are the Vitamin C, Vitamin A, all the alphabet. That's where all that comes in. Now, we believe that food starts first. But we also know that as time has come, the farming and probably the soil quality, and just how the practice is, that we're seeing less micronutrients in our foods than say 60 - 80 years ago. So you can actually have a really, really, really great diet and still need to supplement. But if I see somebody who is really deficient, I pick up a real true deficiency, then I’ll say, I think you should supplement, I think you should take a really good quality vitamin, help to boost your body. But if it's a borderline deficiency, I might say, let's get maybe they got a chromium deficiency, let's do some more cinnamon in your diet to get it up. It's just a borderline thing. So that you won't be popping a lot of pills but I do feel supplements play a really great role and I do honestly think that they have a good place, it really depends on how complex the health issue is or how much the deficiencies are and they can really help. Really good ones.
I guess this kind of ties into burnout as well, we were talking earlier about burnout, how do you know if it's hormonal, or you're just doing too much?
Good question.
That's all really tied in. So when you talk about burnout, there is a true term. We call it, a functional medicine doctor will likely if somebody starts to say, Oh, I'm burnt out, and that's what I really do see my entrepreneurs, my Type A’s, my go-getters, they're trying to multitask and do a bunch of things, that it is the burnout. That burnout medically is called Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome. And what that means is the adrenal glands that are usually giving us all the adrenaline, the go, go, go, go go, they start to tweeter out, and they cannot do the go go go anymore. And that's the thing about your adrenal glands is they are the master gland that controls all the rest of the glands. So your adrenals control your thyroid, control your sex hormones, and so yeah, it's all tied in. So burnout and hormone imbalance is all the same thing and you can get it all tested and see. But yes, if you're stressed, guess what? Your body doesn't want to make the rest of the other hormones. It's now in survival mode and it's like, who needs those hormones when I'm really trying to survive, so you don't get those reproductive hormones that make us feel so great and even the thyroid will suffer. And then your metabolism slows down, and then all of a sudden, you're putting on weight and you're tired.
Oh it’s just compounding the issues - one right on top of the other. And is it true it all starts with stress?
It all starts with stress. So that's it. So that's what we test, we test cortisol levels, and cortisol is the stress hormone. And so that's what we see is, we see high levels of cortisone levels. And so it's all about levelling it out and really controlling those cortisol levels and getting them in a healthy range. And it's not sometimes stress that you think of, so it’s stress like, Oh, I'm worried about this, I'm hoping to get this done, but it's also other things that stress the body. So there's different types of stress. Things that stress the body would be, I have to get back surgery, and now your body's got to heal and repair from that. I have been deficient in vitamin D for years, I'm stressed, your body is going to be stressed when it doesn't have the building blocks. And you can have chemical stresses, being exposed, you’re walking into a mouldy building every day breathing in mould, or having sushi everyday for lunch and you’re getting mercury toxicity from your tuna. And it's all these little things that add up that really stress the body and all you're thinking about is the stress from maybe, I’ve gotta make this, I'm trying to make this revenue or whatever, if it's a business thing, so it's so much more. So yeah, we look for it all and sometimes what is cool about looking for it all is that some of the other things are easier to fix than some, of this mindset of worrying and stressing! If you're gonna worry and stress, let's make sure that you're not toxic, you got lots of nutrients, so we're fueling and maintaining the body and then you can still do what you want to do. So yeah, you have lots of entrepreneurs, I'm pretty sure you guys have heard of people topping up with different vitamins and doing IV infusions now.
Oxygen therapy, ice cold baths and cold ice baths.
Yes, ice baths, that’s all to boost certain endorphins and things like that to keep people keep on going.
Do you endorse that kind of behaviour?
Yeah, I mean certain things like IV infusions and nutrients. We don't we don't do them at the office. It's actually been quite challenging to navigate that in Bermuda but you can go to other places. People go to Europe, I have people go to the US, certain protocols are really good. I mean, I couldn't say I endorse every single thing. But if you're going to someone who's great and knows what it is, and it's just basic vitamins are pretty good help. Again, your body churns through those vitamins so they could be a little bit of a top up, you're going to need to do something for maintenance. And I do think that if you have an idea about food, you know what I mean, it's really great because you want to be able to maintain it so that you're not so reliant on that. Oxygen Therapy is actually coming out as really good, like ozone therapy, what we're seeing is really good, cold therapy, there's so many healing modalities that are coming out. And I think I realised Vicki, a long time ago, not to have ego in this business is really important. I guess that's why I'm surrounded by a team at OceanRock, because I think teamwork makes the dream work. And there are so many different healing modalities and healers are not just coming in MD form, or DOs or chiropractors, they're not coming in these forms, they're coming in other forms of acupuncture and different, I would say, herbalist and homoeopaths, and it's such a gamut now. And I think there's real results, I think the potential and what you can do with these modalities can be really helpful and I found it very helpful for myself. I have a massage therapist and I have an acupuncturist, and even a homoeopath and different people I can rely on when I know I need this or that to help. And I think it's okay to explore some of these modalities and see how it suits you. I know some people get very much like, if it's not a doctor, an MD, I'm very nervous about it, I'm not going to do it. A lot of doctors, some doctors are, go ahead, go for it and might know a little bit knowledge about it but some doctors don’t. And so they would say I don't believe in that and, and I think it can, unfortunately, effect their patient negatively and not get a really good healing experience or have something great that could heal them. And whereas they might be relying just on prescription medications and that's not the end all be all.
It’s quite reactionary. I'm sure there's a place for prescriptions and obviously, there's a very real need for surgery in many cases but it feels quite reactionary and I think the things that you're talking about are very much proactive and preventative. And it's great to hear that you as a doctor are also walking your talk and going through all those other modalities as well.
That's very important. So every test that I do on my clients, I do on myself, so that's been cool. It's really important to walk the talk, I noticed that in general, doctors do tend to live longer, they do have a better life expectancy in general for the population. But I've also been very aware as I look at colleagues who are passing away from cancer or having sudden heart attacks, after one minute they're gone, that it would be great to take really good care of myself. And be really genuine and have the integrity of giving advice that I've been able to follow.
So tell us what was your ‘Why’. Why did you start Ocean Rock Wellness?
That's a real good question and I think it's twofold. So the first one was realising that I was taught to put people on medication. I'm a paediatrician and internist trained, and those are one of the most medical professions in the sense that we see lots of clients, lots of conditions, it's considered necessary primary care or chronic disease care and we are pharmacists lovers and we do a lot of pharmaceuticals and that's what we're trained to do, and I was realising that I'm not getting anywhere. The hospital asked me to do an obesity medicine fellowship because of the obesity issues of race that we see in Bermuda. And I was like, Okay, sounds good, worth learning. I got into the first conference, I was learning about skinny fat, and what you can do with diet and health and I said, Oh, this is me, this is why I'm fatigued and this and that. So I switched my diet right after that based on what I was learning, and I was feeling so much better. The hospital never really went with the obesity program, I finished the fellowship but there was so much teamwork approach. They had nutritionists and physiotherapists and behaviour therapists, and everybody was coming on as a team to help people and I love that model. And so I happened to talk to my best friend who graduated as an MD but she was very much on a holistic journey, so I talked to her, Dr. Sabrina Famous and then I happened to meet Beth Hollis, who was a physiotherapist at the hospital. And so we had nutrition under our belt, we had exercise therapy, I said, Let's open up something so that we can give a comprehensive approach to clients. And I just felt this journey was helping me to heal and I was feeling so much better and I was also dealing with infertility and was able to now have a baby with it. So it was all a cool experience. So moving in this direction of medicine has been also aligning with my health journey myself, but also just a cooler way, I have never gained so much satisfaction as I have now in these last eight years or so, being able to go at things from a different approach. It really warms me, this is what I was meant to do, in the sense that this is what I thought I was signing up to as a doctor. I might have been different if I was a surgeon, they can go in and they can fix it. But if you're not a surgeon and you're not fixing stuff and people are coming to you, I just didn't want to be a pill pusher in that sense, and not get people truly helped, healthy and back to where they belong. So that was our why.
Fascinating and so you brought this team of experts together, specialists together and this was your first business, yes?
Yes.
Tell us, how was that? You've built a bit of a mammoth operation in eight years and eight years is quite the milestone, many businesses don't make it past the first two years.
That's what we've heard. So we get really excited when we celebrate an anniversary, we’re still here! One thing we feel, we're not going to go nowhere so we've had some very challenging years, the pandemic was really hugely challenging. Even despite we had a membership model in place, it was still quite challenging for us. And so failure is not an option for us for sure, but it's a true journey.
Tell us how you got through some tough times, maybe by an example. What does it take?
Well sometimes it takes asking for help, that's true. Reaching out definitely to whatever government aid we could during the pandemic was very helpful for us to just stay, talk to our vendors or landlord about, okay, we need some help. You have to not have ego. I also think that it's been really good to have teamwork, because when we started Ocean Rock, we had three kids, between me and our partners so each of us had a kid, and now two of us have three kids, and one of us has two kids. So we're eight kids now and so there's been a lot of growth outside and so as women and mothers too, we're just keep going, just keep going and trying to nurture everything. It's just absolutely amazing.
We have had business coaches, so we started taking on business coaches, I want to say in our second or third year, that's been really huge for us. We doctors, and health professionals don't get any sort of business training at all, really, I know one advice that I got in residency program, my mentor or physician, who I was under at the time, she said, you know Ayesha when you open up your practice don't try to do everything yourself. There's somebody else that can answer the phones and staple papers. And I thought that was really cool advice because you can easily find yourself trying to do everything and so you have to work to your expertise and find people to help you to do the other things to free up your time.
And we've also been told to not work in the business as much as on the business. And so we actually have found that times where we, because before we were all five days a week, really having these tight schedules and our business coach said, No, you have to actually have time to work on the business. And it was interesting how when we scaled back the amount of hours that we were working in the business, and started to work on the business by having that real important time, that was when we were able to actually see better profits and things like that. So that's been really huge. And that's something that we really always maintain, even when we feel like things are slipping, or we need to focus back on our revenues and things. It's always something you want to do but we need to work on the business, not just in the business. So that's been really cool. So our business coaches have been hugely helpful, a big help for us. We've had business coaches in our area, so physicians, and we have a business coach right now who's made it really big in insurance, and not just focused on healthcare. And I think also, that's great for us to not just have somebody who is limited by thinking in the health field, so it's been huge for us, that's really been important because we're learning so much. I wish we would have learned some more but it's not an easy thing, I think that it's not something easy to learn.
There's always more room for growth and improvement. That's the beautiful thing about being in business for yourself.
Yes.
Exactly and you go to medical school, you learn how to help treat care for people, you do not learn how to read profit and loss sheets. That's not what you're trained for and that's okay.
Yes, and what's gross and net? And trying to figure out gross and net? That's been a challenge for me, but I got it. It's so funny, because you know who really I got it from? It was Richard Branson. He had a post and he was like, when he first was coming through, and when they realised in his meeting that he wasn't getting the difference between gross and net, he asked ‘Is that good?’ and they asked him ‘You don’t know the difference do you?’ And he said, No I don’t. So, he gave an analogy of how he learned about it and I think that's cool, and that's how it's been really able to stick too.
I love it. That sounds like fun, I'm gonna find that, I'm going to find that. He's another great example of not letting ego get in the way for someone like him to say, well, What's the difference? Even before he made it to be the stature that he is now. Very, very cool.
I think it is cool. Because that's it, it's so much humility, right? And I think the minute you feel like you know it all, is the minute you really stop learning and I think you have to be the forever student and you have to say, Okay, I just don't know this. And I think doctors really have a hard time saying that and I'm just like, You know what, I don't know this, and we could figure it out together. So sometimes I have to say that to my client, oh, I know, people who do know it and I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask, and they do appreciate that, they're not necessarily expecting you to know and have all the answers and I really do appreciate that. And I have to do that in business too, is just ask and figure it all out.
One thing I'll say you do have figured out your business's marketing, because you guys do some pretty cool marketing. First of all, your website is beautiful but your social media is what I love the most. I've been following you guys for a while, and you have a lot of fun with it. So tell me about that.
Oh, that's so fun. That's the fun I was talking to Vicki about earlier is that the social media part is just such a cool thing for us. I'll be honest, my partner is our marketing coordinator guru and we do have marketing agencies that help her, so that's another thing, we're not doing everything. We did start off doing it initially by ourselves and then as we build some momentum it's nice to get the help. So it was always like I said, ask people to help, hire people that have better expertise so that's been really helpful, but some of it is inspired by us. The social media is fun for me, because I get to scroll through my phone acting like I'm doing research, for something that I'm gonna dance to, we all do something like that, it’s fun. And we all bring our ideas, and we just go for it. And it doesn't even take as long truthfully, it's just such a cool thing that we get so much maximum value for us and how we feel. And it's really Friday for about 20 minutes on a Friday, we'll knock out a few reels, have a bit of fun, laugh at each other, and not take ourselves too seriously and then, it's cool.
That's incredible culture building too, probably not intentionally, but intentionally because you are actually working together as a team doing something really fun. That's kind of amazing. I love that, more people should do that.
Yes, so marketing is hugely important, I'm pretty sure. And we've learned that more and more how much it's important. And our marketing agency and how we're being coached is people's got to know, like, and trust you and so they have to know you first and like you, we’re really lovable actually, we’ll take that much. And then they can trust you. And so now you can talk to them about the why and then you bring in, that's where we bring in what we really love to do is help to teach and educate.
Yeah. And your real values led to that really comes through with what you do, which is amazing. But I'm wondering, because you guys do things very differently, have you prickled some nerves in the industry? Have you had to deal with some fallout or some difficult colleagues with other mindsets?
Not as direct as you might think so, not as directly as you think so, sometimes I think it's difficult for the patient because sometimes they will get conflicting advice from us and feel like they can't go further because the doctor said, No, that's not great, or whatever, they might have more of a longer term relationship so it gets really difficult. So it sometimes can be challenging when you're trying to manage someone and everybody's not on the same page.
And we try not to ruffle feathers. We actually try not to ruffle feathers because I think we could go harder on some of the things that we really, truly believe in. But we try to be a little bit gentle, because there is this mutual respect. But I also feel that some of my colleagues are just so busy doing their life and their grind and most primary care physicians have to see 20 or 40 patients a day, especially in Bermuda. So they don't really have time to pick fights, or say, you shouldn't be doing that. I do genuinely get people to say, Oh, thank you so much for your input and I'm so out of the box, some of my out of the boxes, they're actually very quiet, it’s something I am not really boasting about. Again, I come from a very humble heart. But I have found that a lot of my colleagues, even though I'm a little out of the box, they do tolerate me, and do appreciate my input because I do leave people better than I find them in most cases.
That's beautiful. You also mentioned earlier that there's a couple of things you may be limited in providing in Bermuda from a regulatory standpoint.
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Yeah, some things it's hard to get in because of customs or just our rules and regulations around things and the timing. Like say stem cells is really difficult. That's been one of the things that's been really challenging for us to initiate because stem cells have to come on ice and you have to have them continuously refrigerated and in within 24 hours. So that one gets really, that's one of the things that can be very difficult, as you see nobody's really doing stem cells in Bermuda because of that. And so there's things that logistically difficult. We've even had one supplement that has been really great, it's a medicinal mushroom supplement; we like the mushrooms, especially the medicinal ones and it got held up in customs for three months. And it was where it was touch and go, are we gonna lose this money? But also the waitlist was so crazy for them, so it does get a bit difficult with certain things. And then some of the modalities that will be really cool, like thermography which could be an alternative to mammograms, or also helping to look for skin cancers or difficult injuries and you're looking for hot spots on the person's body without radiation, cool technology using more heat wave, some of the equipment and bringing it in, and then getting people to set it up here can be really a bit challenging. So there’s certain things we love and we see and we want to do, and it's just being very strategic about what we can do. But having said that, I have had people come to Bermuda who are Americans and be so grateful that there's Ocean Rock in this space and wishing that, Oh, I wish this was close to my parents away, so that they had something like that. So even though you do have facilities and probably a lot of functional medicine doctors in the US or different countries, they're very much still spread out, since it's a bigger population. So in some ways, we're a little bit even more accessible, like this type of medicine is maybe even a little bit more accessible than some other populations. It's just that we can’t do every single thing that's coming down the pipeline.
Oh, yeah, I do think that's a bit of an advantage about being in this small community is that we have quicker, easier, faster access to health care which is a good thing and generally good insurance that covers most things, not all, of course. So if you could have a little crystal ball and wipe away any red tape, what would you like to see for Ocean Rock for the next five years?
As far as growth in our services, yeah. So we're definitely interested in thermography. There is also a cool machinery type thing, it really helps with people with bad lymphedema issues where like varicose veins, swelling in their legs and it helps with lymphatic drainage. So some people just are having a tough time detoxing because the lymphatics are sluggish and so that's been a cool device that I think we have on our radar. We’re also dabbling into stem cell patches, instead of stem cell so that's another cool thing that is coming about. Also, quantum medicine, so quantum medicine is this cool medicine now, that's got a lot of healing modalities around it, but you're using more physics around some of the machinery that they're using. So healing frequencies, things like that, like machines that do those sorts of things, diagnosing people by biofields, and it's amazing stuff. So quantum healing and quantum medicine is going to be something huge. I think people are going to hear about it, but everything takes about 15-20 years they say, before it really catches on though. It's going to take some time, but that's something cool. That's now started and that's something legit. So you can actually now get a fellowship in quantum medicine. But yes, they have some really cool tools that they're using.
Oh, yeah, I'm fascinated by this stuff. So with these new tools, what do you see is the future of health? Are you optimistic that people are going to be healthier in the future?
It depends what you do with them. Some of them, what's great about it is with quantum is, some of the diagnostic tools can also be used for healing, right. So sometimes people come and they want to know, and then that's it. And I think that's also driven our healthcare costs way up, they want CAT scans and MRIs and lots of blood tests, and they want to know, want to know, and they don't really get the answers they need, and sometimes they do. We do outside of the box testing and most often we’re picking up stuff like parasites or Lyme disease, or mould toxicity, heavy metal toxin, so we're picking up those things, we don't ever want to be like, Hey, you got that problem, good luck! We're both more about treating it. What’s great about these quantum medicine tools is they're really good at diagnostics. So they're really good, I’ve been able to use it, I'm using it on myself, and it was like, you have this virus and this tissue, and you have this effect and that tissue. And now you can also figure out what to do now, because you really know the problem. So now you know the real problem, then you can really go after it good. And so as long as people can respect that the diagnostics are great but still wanting to go for what's going to eventually heal them, that's going to be where you're going to see all the magic.
Dr. Ayesha, I am gonna live to 110. I am!
Yes you are!
With all this technology at our fingertips. That's fantastic!
You have no reason not to.
Hello, hello. Now, you mentioned a business coach, you've touched on Richard Branson inspiring you? Is there any other positive influence in your business life, your business world, any books that you recommend, podcasts you're currently listening to?
So we got a lot of recommendations from our business coach. So my business coach has told us, read this book, this book is great and we will go ahead and read it. And I'm really always impressed. So, in the last few months, I read the 21 Laws of Leadership, I thought that was really good. It's always good, business needs to have a really good strong leader. I’ve read books like Start With Why, the Who Not How, that's also a really good book for me, it's just not ‘how to do it’ but ‘who you need to do it. There's been some really cool books that I've read recently. And how I do it is I just throw them on Audible. I feel bad because I can't think of everything. But I throw them on Audible. I just finished What It Takes by Stephen Schwarzman, he's a big billionaire guy, he's the Chairman of Blackstone.
Oh I didn’t know about the book, I’ll look it up.
Yeah, that's a good book. He talks a lot about resilience and what it takes to make it to, I think his net worth is like 7 billion or something like that, something amazing. So he wrote a cool book. I’ve read books from Tony Robbins, and Ray Dalio, some of these guys, I'm just learning, but I have to say, I get my suggestions from my business coach, they say read this book and I say okay. And then audible will make suggestions along the lines, and sometimes I'll think Okay, that sounds like one to read. I think Beth said, We need to read The Four Hour Work Week, so I'm reading that.
That's a good one. So one last question, because we always have to ask this question, what does resilience mean to you?
Because we have resilience in health too.
So resilience is taking a lickin and keep on ticking. And that is it, and that's what you want to be when it comes to your health. You want to be so solid, so built up that things can come and things will, you can get hit by a bus and be up the next day. Maybe, depending on how resilient you are. It’s all about that bounce-backness. And so that's to me resilience and having that healthy goal and destination and knowing you're going to make it. So whether it's 110, 120, or whatever that is when it comes to your business, that's to me resilience.
That's it. Well, thank you so much, this has been such an enlightening conversation. I want to dig even further into some of that testing, I'm really fascinated by that. And I just want to thank you so much for joining us today for sharing all this wealth of knowledge, information, goodness, I'm glad for your optimism, it’s making me feel better. We're all living to 110,120, let's go and healthy, strong…
Dancing, having fun, travelling.
Yes. So much of that, so much of that to come. Anyway, thank you very, very much. We appreciate your time.
Thank you, Laura. Thank you, Vicki. Thank you everybody for having me. It's been a pleasure. Appreciate you guys.
